Should Society Really Feel Very Sorry For Addicted Shoplifters?

by , 4 months ago

In the aftermath of a celebrity chef Worrall Thompson being caught stealing cheese and wine from a Tesco store he was apparently suffering from clinical depression and experts believe that this is a common explanation for addictive shoplifters. But do addictive shoplifters rich and poor deserve full sympathy from society. I would be inclined to generally say no but take each case on its merits as it is generally a criminal offence.

Responses (16)

Whilst we can feel and show compassion, it is still important to face and deal with the subsequent consequences of any actions. Sympathy tendered strengthens and nurtures a good society that forgives.

by greydo, 4 months ago

Sad scenario. I feel sorry for the shame he has brought upon his family in all this.
What I can't understand is why it was the fifth or sixth visit they decided to pick him up for and not the earlier thefts.
I would agree with you regarding the reasons though CS.In certain cases depression and addiction do go hand in hand and we would have to try to understand the why's and wherefore's in each individual case.

by LILLIE, 4 months ago

It was certainly very strange behaviour by AWT and I'm not sure whether feeling sorry for him is the right response. I don't know how you distinguish a person with a real psychiatric problem from a common thief but it is certainly easier for a 'celeb' to claim that he needs help. The fact that Tesco security did not arrest him on several previous occasions show that they were astonished by his behaviour. It is probably kindest to accept his statement that he needs help to overcome his problem and that he has no idea why he did it.

by Sidesalad, 4 months ago

Thanks Sidesalad, yes it was indeed strange behaviour but was it from a depressed man or an out and out thief? I guess we may never know why he did it.

by LILLIE, 4 months ago

I wonder how long he would have carried on stealing if they hadn't confronted him. Evidently they were watching him steal many days and wanted to be absolutely certain that he was stealing before they took action. It wasn't only cheese though as he was stealing wine as well.

I wonder if it had been a member of the public who wasn't famous if they would get the same treatment and does that
give the green light for everyone to pinch a bit and then say they are suffering from depression. They know they are doing it and should take the consequences. I don't mean to sound harsh but can just imagine the shelves all being bare and everyone declaring themselves ill. What a mess we would be in.

by Sabre, 4 months ago

Good point Sabre, it does make you wonder how much longer this would have gone on for had he not been stopped.
I'm sure Joe Public would have had his collar felt at the first sign of this thievery never mind subsequent attempts.

by LILLIE, 4 months ago

Well as they say in the adverts for Tesco every little helps so he took them at their word and promptley helped himself.A thief is a thief celebrity or not.

by Noddy1, 4 months ago

I tend to agree, Noddy, we can't have one law for celebrities and one for the rest of society. If someone (regardless of who they are) is mentally ill, depressed or whatever and develops a shop lifting habit because of it, then that could be taken into account when they get to court.

by fruitcake, 4 months ago

Whichever way you look at this, it is common theft and needs to be dealt with appropriately .... these people know how to turn on the tears and sympathy vote if they get caught ( oh hard done by me etc ) and at best they are onto a nice little earner with the ultimate satisfaction of having got one over the store and its customers.

This AWT case is interesting ... apparently he had been observed doing this on four or five previous occasions but Tesco did nothing as they were not 100% sure an offence had been committed. How can that be? People I meet who are 'in the know' state that AWT had a lot of money problems ... so was that the root cause or did he genuinely have a psychological problem that he 'would be getting treatment for'? Or is that just the 'escape clause' of the day?

I guess the only sentiment left is for the truly poor, say with kids, who simply have to steal to fed them and we are aware that happens. Can you imagine the choice a mother or father would make with no money and the desperate need to feed hungry kids? It's a big question.

But as you say, each case on its merits ... you just have to see past the crocodile tears. WE should be a caring society and I guess that sometimes, just sometimes, we have to leave room for that. It's just a question of who make that decision .. the stores, the police or the criminal justice system? It should of course be a case of 'once bitten, twice shy' but in practice that seldom happens ...

by Snoopy48, 4 months ago

When I worked for Asda many year's ago it was unbelievable how many people stole. I remember a well dressed man coming through my till and we talked of various things. He was really charming. Two minutes after he was served he was stopped by security as he had changed the price of the shoes he was buying. Before coding this was always being done especially on the meat counter. Another day a man came and bought a small item only to be stopped as he had a new pair of trainers on his feet and his old ones kicked under the trainer stand. One day a young woman was stopped who was a regular and was found to have bottle after bottle of spirits under her shopping not paid for. Children would be stealing all the time and Mother's pretend not to see they had toys in their hands not paid for and crisps, chocolate bars, etc. There was always a good excuse.

Even the staff were stealing and it was a terrible feeling of betrayal when one of your colleagues was caught. Although there was a ban on serving anyone related to you and any close friends, many ignored this ruling and put the goods through at peanuts and were often caught out and instant dismissal. I could never understand the mentality of doing it as what a stigma to have to carry for the rest of your life namely a thief. I know times have changed a lot and people view it differently, but I felt sick to see one of my friends being walked out of the store by security. In the end there were cameras on all the tills, routine locker checks and full trolley loads gone through with every item noted just in case someone was helping themselves.

by Sabre, 4 months ago

I have a friend who ran a busy petrol service station for some years .... he always stated that business always depended on the three'S's .....
Stock, Staff and Shortgages!

by Snoopy48, 4 months ago

This is a difficult one, CS. Part of me says that a crime is a crime, and should be punished, but the other part says he (or anybody else) might be ill and in need of help.

It reminds me of the argument about whether or not George Best should have been given a liver transplant. Alcoholism is an illness just as much as cancer is, although it attracts much less sympathy from those fortunate enough not to have suffered it or lived with someone who did.

I conclude that each case should be assessed on its merits.

However, I do agree with others who have said it's a bit odd that Tesco had seen him doing it several times and taken no action.

by Feline123, 4 months ago

I wonder what AWTs attitude would be if someone eats at his restaurent and walks off without paying the bill.Im sure he would not be amused and be quick enough in prosecuting them.

by Noddy1, 4 months ago

Probably very true, Noddy.

by Feline123, 4 months ago

Interesting point there Noddy.

by LILLIE, 4 months ago

After being fed with freshly shoplifted wine and cheese? That would be rough justice!

by Snoopy48, 4 months ago

Yes you have a good point there Noddy1. Someone should try and see what happens. You could then break down and say you were very depressed and you didn't realise you had eaten your meal as your memory had gone also.

by Sabre, 4 months ago

I believe you are entitled to only pay 50% of the bill if you are not satisfied with the meal!

by Omendata, 4 months ago

If I am unhappy with a meal OD I ask for another in it's place as I am not going to pay for a meal that is inedible and especially if it's an expensive one. On the other hand if it's good I always say so and leave a nice tip. There's too much competition now so you don't have to eat crap food.

by Sabre, 4 months ago

Interesting, Omen, where did you get that?

by Feline123, 4 months ago

I'm told that in the USA if diners leave without paying or pay only half because they were unhappy with the meal, then the server has to make up the difference out of their wages. I'm not sure that paying half is legal in the UK after all you have entered into a contract when you order the meal and if you are not happy then you should pay but then try to get redress afterwards.

by Sidesalad, 4 months ago

That's what I thought, Sidesalad.

by Feline123, 4 months ago

Guy who owns a restaurant told me that not 100% sure if its 50% but according to this you dont have to pay at all but there has been one circumstance where we had terrible service "The Sorn Inn" in Scotland quite the worst service and meal ever.

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/shopping/restaurant-rights

by Omendata, 4 months ago

I suspect he'll get community service, making soup for the homeless...and that's just for starters!!

However, if he had shoplifted some milk, yeast and flour he would certainly have had enough dough to pay for these items!!

by Parchester, 4 months ago

But surely did he not have enough money to pay for the wine and cheese in any case? He is a celebrity chef millionaire after all.He also got caught after having previously committed the same offence.

by creativesaver, 4 months ago

Oh dear, I'm having to explain that my remarks were humourous!!

Soup - starters, and flour, milk and yeast - dough, a play upon the word meaning money!!

From what I understand his restaurants are not doing that well and this could well be causing him some anxiety, which has resulted in his irrational behaviour, allegedly.

by Parchester, 4 months ago

Oh very good Parchester, hope he gets his just desserts.

by LILLIE, 4 months ago

LOL, Parchy and Lillie!

I'm sure he's got plenty of bread!

by Feline123, 4 months ago

Perhaps he was short of wine and cheese at his restaurants and hoped to charge full money for the wine and make a good innings out of it.

by Sabre, 4 months ago

He is in custardy I suppose. He will be fired from Ready Steady Crook and will join Masterthief.

by Sidesalad, 4 months ago

Lol Sidesalad, I too hope he gets a good grilling...

by LILLIE, 4 months ago

Oh, Sidesalad, I've just spilt my wine again!

by Feline123, 4 months ago

Asked about his actions AWT said " it wasn't very mature but I decided to steal the cheese anyway. "

by Sidesalad, 4 months ago

AAAAArrrrrggggghhhhhh!

by Feline123, 4 months ago

Oh my word I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

by LILLIE, 4 months ago

Perhaps he should do some porridge for the cereal offences? And if he felt it was hard cheese, perhaps he could let out a little whine ( from the bag ),or add a splash of Tesco cordial ... it has a very arresting flavour!

by Snoopy48, 4 months ago

Very good Parchester I like that one. I got your joke instantly. Very clever.

by Sabre, 4 months ago

Another possibility is that, by mistake, he found that he had got through the self service checkout without being caught (because staff couldn't believe he would be doing that). He then tried it again (deliberately) and suceeded again, or so it seemed, so continued in the belief that he would not be caught.

I thought it could also have been a cry for help but his subsequent statements don't back this up.

by Sealate, 4 months ago

no lock them up

by bluej, 4 months ago

A bit harsh there, blueJ! We don't really know all the circumstances.

by Feline123, 4 months ago

Why pay in his restaurent if he does'nt pay for the ingrediants why should the customer pay him to cook them.Dont eat there you could end up being done for recieving stolen property.lol

by Noddy1, 4 months ago

We do know the circumstances.

Bored celebrity with all the money that can buy what he wants except a thrill.

Why do you think they all snort coke and go to orgy parties - precisely because they have all the money and are bored so need some excitement to liven up their staid existence.

by Omendata, 4 months ago

Quite agree those with nothing are clinically depressed not the likes of this over paid clown

by Noddy1, 4 months ago

Whatever he's done, I'm still hanging on to my Antony Worrall
Thompson blender. Better the Breville you know.......

by Sidesalad, 4 months ago

Ha Ha!!
I wonder if he will hang on to his celebrity status, or sink like a disturbed souflee?

by greydo, 4 months ago

Brilliant, Sidesalad, love it! :-)

by fruitcake, 4 months ago

Ooh excellent Sidesalad, best pun yet.

by LILLIE, 4 months ago

Qualiteeeee....

by Omendata, 4 months ago

So the cats out of the bag Tesco's profits are down AWT milked em dry what a crook.lol

by Noddy1, 4 months ago

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