Do well-known people have a right to privacy or are they public property?

by , 11 months ago

This debate is raging at present due to the nature of super-injunctions and Fred Goodwin being named and shamed in the House of Lords despite having a super-injunction in place.

However, what are people's views?

Do public figures, or people whom are in public positions of responsibility who live their lives in the media glare and the others who court the media to promote their lives and 'success' have a right to privacy or are they setting themselves up to analysed under the media microscope and are we really interested in their lives to warrant media intrusion?

Responses (12)

This is an excellent thread Parchester and not one that I have ever given much consideration to.

From my point of view, such people in the public eye are usually wealthy and as such money or indeed personal power should not be a reason to preserve anonimity. Indeed, these very people are in such high positions of power or wealth by the grace of others and as such should me totally accountable to those 'beneath' them.

Indeed, we have the recent story of the Energy Secretary, Chris Huhne, allegedly swopping car speeding points with another. As a focal politician, he is totally accountable in such matters, even 'public property' to a certain extent. And the word 'privacy' doesn't even come into it.

AS they say, one rule for the rich ......

by Snoopy48, 11 months ago

Maybe not. The challenge to the courts has been made:

In 1948 Britain helped draft the United Nations' Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 19 declares:

"Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers."

by Sealate, 11 months ago

They set an exmaple, and for that reason they should be held accountable for their actions, just like the rest of us. The problem is that the richer people tend to get away with taking the 'michael' more, and that's why they get caught out, and rightfully so.

Name and shame them all! They've made their beds...

I watched the John Prescott interview with Piers Morgan, brilliant interview, and John P went up my books. He came out and said I was wrong, and I suffered the consequences for my actions. If you are willing to break the law or use your status to your own gain and others downfall then you should be punished when you are found out!

However, I do think that it comes down to interest from the public in such people, if nobody was that bothered about their personal lives then the newspapers wouldn't get anyting from releasing these details. But then, would these people be the role models that they claim to be, and gain a hgih profile from?
If people set a positive example then give them the recognition they deserve, we are very quick to bring people down in this country...

by Hetley, 11 months ago

I think it depends entirely on whether it's in the public interest.

To me, a footballer's sexual peccadillos (lovely word, dontcha think?) are just a bloody big yawn, but if Fred Goodwin took his eye off the ball and let his bank fail because he was ******* his secretary that's our business as taxpayers.

by Feline123, 11 months ago

Oh Feline ... how I would love some sexual peccadillos ..... no big yawn for me! Do Tescos sell them?

by Snoopy48, 11 months ago

Yes, and Sainsbury's too!

by Feline123, 11 months ago

Those that 'court the media' Parchester in my mind get their just desserts, other miscreants in the public eye also deserve to be made an example of.

If the resulting publicity is pertinent to me like corrupt politicians and or bankers then yes I'm interested as for adulterous footballers/actors etc I couldn't give a flying fig.

by LILLIE, 11 months ago

'Flying Fig' Lillie? What a colourful expression .... is it the same as a toss?

by Snoopy48, 11 months ago

And there was me trying to be polite Snoopy, I could perhaps embellish a little more by saying I couldn't give a 'rats patooty'...

by LILLIE, 11 months ago

Oh Lillie ... you do make me smile. Some may even say a 'Chimpanzee's Chonka!'. Frankly, I prefer 'toss' ... seems to hit you in the face and so much more emotive. I am sure Feline will agree ...

by Snoopy48, 11 months ago

I've got a T-sirt with the slogan 'Flying fcuk'. now I know what it means!

by Feline123, 11 months ago

Aah we knew we could rely on you Feline to give us the true translation, lol.

by LILLIE, 11 months ago

it seems to be that the law can be bought and that is never a good thing. if the law is not clear enough then that needs to be fixed. At the moment it only seems to be the wealthy that can do this and always to their advantage. the law must be equal and seen to be.

by jajajanie, 11 months ago

Another development in this debate is that a well known premier league footballer who obtained a super-injunction and was subsequently named via Twitter has received a UK court order against the American firm to provide the names and details of those who are responsible for revealing his name on their social network.

If this is a matter of privacy, then where do the members of Twitter stand? Whose right to privacy is more paramount those who take out and pay for super-injunctions or 'joe public' who exercise their right to free speech in discussing a name that has been made available via the internet?

Also is a UK Court ruling applicable to the US?

Let battle commence!

by Parchester, 11 months ago

You suck satans doo daa for money and fame then you deserve all you get.

It really bugs me these people want to be in the public eye and the money and trappings and all that goes with it but then complain when they are too much in the public eye.

Nonsense

They want the cream but refuse to drink the milk if i was a celeb i would expect and put up with it for the cash!If someone offered you a million quid tomorrow but with the attendant negatives i bet 99% of the population would take it!Bleating celebs make me so tired of listening.

I presume you are talking about R.G. and his affair with that non celeb from big brother that has been all hushed up?

Sorry I have to give the initials but being a footballer im sure you will either have googled it yourself or can make a stab at it!

by Omendata, 11 months ago

I wouldn't have been in the least interested in the affairs of a footballer, but the fuss made me curious about this person and it is easy to find out his name, so the super-injunction has failed in its objective. Apparently it's known as The Striesand Effect after the singer took out an injunction to prevent publication of pictures of her home that then caused millions of people to look at it on-line.

by Sidesalad, 11 months ago

Indeed side-potato seemples isnt it.

Mind you footballers have pea brains so not surprising he didnt work it out!

by Omendata, 11 months ago

Lol, good to see you back Omendata and on form.

You too sidesalad, yes these folk play dirty and want their grubby little secrets hushed up but they can't escape the prying eyes of our media so the truth will always come out in the end, whether they like it or not.

by LILLIE, 11 months ago

Unfortunately, some people will always be interested in the lives of so-called 'celebrities'
who probably just get injunctions as a way of getting even more publicity.

If we all ignored them, they might go away.

And yes, great to see you back, Omen! Trust the job goes well?

by Feline123, 11 months ago

Perhaps this premier league footballer has more to hide than just his one affair with a Z list celebrity!!

If his name had been linked all those weeks ago it is highly likely that all of the fuss would have blown over. But the fact that he is challenging it (and it would appear failing) then what else has he to fear unless this opens the mouths of many others who will damage his questionable morals and family values, which he seems so desperate to protect!

by Parchester, 11 months ago

Parchester is right there are rumblings in the distance.

by Omendata, 11 months ago

If the celeb's commit criminal or immoral acts then they become fair game for the press,Being famous should not make them untouchable as a lot of them think they are.

by Noddy1, 11 months ago

Personally, I'm not in the slightest bit interested in the doings of celebrities, but I don't see why they should be able to buy their privacy as and when it suits them.

As jajajanie said below, the law must be equal for all of us, and the rest of us couldn't possibly afford a super-injunction.

If a celebrity wants publicity then they should be prepared to have both the good and the bad publicity.

by fruitcake, 11 months ago

Ryan Giggs, who has built part of his persona on being a wonderful family centred man as well as a footballer, has asked the court to intervene to protect his immoral behaviour.

The judge upholding the super-injunction yesterday said "The court's duty remains to try and protect the claimant, and particularly his family, from intrusion and harassment so long as it can." Why didn't Mr. Giggs give due consideration to his family prior to commencing the 7 month affair both parties in this fiasco Giggs and Imogen Thomas, are guilty of shameful personal behaviour and yet she is trying to portray herself as the victim in all of this. Perhaps both should reflect that their selfish behaviour affects no one but the innocent Giggs family.

This is a classic example of someone having more money than sense.

In my opinion, anything that highlights the hypocrasy of our celebrity driven culture and the immoral behaviour of so called 'role models' is in the public interest!

by Parchester, 11 months ago

Ah yes Parchester 'more money than sense' just about sums some of these people up.

No wonder Mr Goody Two Shoes was desperate to keep this hushed up. He was supposedly squeeky clean and someone for the youngsters to look up to.

I really don't know why she feels 'so wronged' in all of this after all it does take two to Tango!!

by LILLIE, 11 months ago

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